On yesterday’s post, I noted that one of my most “popular” (as in, most trafficked posts) this year was The Anti-Evangelical Hate Machine. To date, it’s received the most comments of any post on this site (260+ ). I’m glad that post got as much attention — even negative attention — as it did. Why? It’s led to a number of significant discussions and friendships that, I hope, will bring all the parties closer to Christ.
The sites I linked to on that post employ a lot of satire and mockery, highlighting the “stupid things” found in Christendom. So why should that bother me?
- Do I think the Church is perfect? No.
- Do I think Christians don’t do stupid things? No.
- Do I think religious people aren’t sometimes a complete embarrassment? No.
- Do I think the Church doesn’t sometime profane the name of Christ? No.
- Do I think religious leaders shouldn’t be publicly criticized? No.
- Do I think think mockery and satire isn’t sometime effective? No.
One reason I think sites like those I mentioned — and the Bash the Church Bandwagon (#1, #2, and #3) in general — are potentially misguided and destructive is because they employ caricatures and cherry-pick the worst of a movement to make their denunciations. However, the main reason I think that critiquing this anti-trend is important is this:
Mocking religious extremism won’t heal you of its effects.
Permit me to share a little bit about MY dysfunctional religious upbringing. This is a long story, which I will seriously abbreviate, but hopefully be able to tell in longer form in the future.
As many of you know, I am an ex-pastor. I left the ministry when the church I was co-pastoring (a non-denominational, semi-charismatic, evangelical church), disbanded after six years. We had become completely dysfunctional. The senior pastor was accused of being a manipulative legalist, some even suggested he was cult-like in his leadership, and the leadership of the church split. I remained by his side not wanting to split the entire church and believing him to be an honorable man.
Our church had been formed from a church merger. I started my original church six years after I became a believer. I had no formal seminary training, had three kids with a fourth on the way, and a deep sense that God was calling me to something. A small, but strong core group of members rallied around me. While my teaching gifts became evident, eventually so did my lack of other gifts. I found myself deeply enjoying the study and the pulpit, but struggling with counseling, relationships, and the minutiae of management. Eventually, unable to secure a permanent facility and spiritually burned-out, we merged with this sister church.
It proved to be disastrous.
The two congregations and our pastoral visions and personalities grated against each other. There were evaluations, re-evaluations, tears, and defections. The senior pastor eventually suggested that I was the root of the church’s division, that I was proud, unsubmissive, and intentionally subverting his authority. In fact, we talked a lot about spiritual authority (which I learned later the over-emphasis upon spiritual authority is a HUGE part of dysfunctional churches). Eventually, my pastor suggested I should be publicly disciplined, take a cut in pay, and step down from preaching for a year. Listen, I knew I had issues. I was a broken man just trying to find my way. And he was a good man, whom I believed, had my best and the church’s best in mind.
So I conceded and was publicly disciplined for pride and being unsubmissive to spiritual authority.
Many of the members of my old church were angered. They believed the senior pastor was treating me unfairly and over-extending his authority. But I was at my end. I did not want to split the church and felt like, in the long run, it would be best to submit. As a result, the church began to fracture. People began to leave. I lost many once strong supporters. I was privately exhorted to stand up to him, to not hide my light under a bushel, to not lose my saltiness.
I was warned that I was being manipulated.
Either way, things just got worse. We eventually disbanded the church. It remains one of the hardest, but one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. At first, I was in limbo. I really didn’t have any marketable skills… save being able to preach a good sermon. I contemplated starting another church, but felt like I needed some time to gain perspective and rest. So I returned to construction work, with one ear to the ground. The family thrived during that time. I didn’t realize until I was out of the ministry how much wear and tear one takes. It began a new, healing season for me.
The separation from the church and my pastor caused me to see how absolutely dysfunctional an environment I’d been in. I started to come to grips with the fact that I’d been in a legalistic, manipulative relationship. It was quite revelatory! I felt betrayed. Then I felt guilty. What had I allow to happen? All those exhortations and warnings, all those brothers and sisters that I’d let down. It was an incredibly humbling time in my life.
But another thing happened. Many of those who’d left the church began to rage. Some fell away from Christ, hurling blames and insults our way. Others backslid, having lost confidence in the Church and its leaders. And many became bitter.
How could I blame them?
Thus, another war ensued. If anyone had a reason to bail on God, bail on the Church, bail on spiritual leadership, and become bitter, I did. How many years of my life, and my family’s life, had been eaten by the locust? It was tempting to start blasting my old pastor and join the crescendo of voices decrying organized religion. I could have easily been submerged in my anger. Yet becoming bitter and unforgiving was the last thing I needed to do. I needed healing, not more hurt.
And hating on people was not the way of healing.
I’m not sure why I decided to read What’s So Amazing About Grace, but it changed my life. I was familiar with Philip Yancey and loved his stuff. But after my season of “law,” grace was the theme I most needed. Grace was the message my soul thirsted for. Quotes like the ones below were a punch to the gut of my “ungrace”:
Grace is unfair, which is one of the hardest things about it… Grace is not about fairness.
Grace is Christianity’s best gift to the world, a spiritual nova in our midst exerting a force stronger than vengeance, stronger than racism, stronger than hate.
Forgiveness offers a way out. It does not settle all questions of blame and fairness–often it pointedly evades those questions–but it does allow a relationship to start over again, to begin anew.
Resentment literally means “to feel again”; resentment clings to the past, relives it over and over, picks each fresh scab so the wound never heals.
We nurse sores, go to elaborate lengths to rationalize our behavior, perpetuate family feuds, punish ourselves, punish others–all to avoid this most unnatural act [of forgiveness].
The gospel of grace begins and ends with forgiveness.
I was coming to the realization that I had to forgive those who’d hurt me and ask forgiveness from those I’d hurt. I couldn’t cling to regret, to bitterness. I couldn’t go on blaming someone as the “bad guy” and applauding someone as the “good guy.” I couldn’t laugh it off.
But how do you acknowledge there’s been dysfunction, manipulation, or abuse and still exercise grace?
All I knew was that I had to try.
So I’d been out of the ministry for several months, learning to breathe. I watched the “old” congregation splinter out into different orbits. Rumors and accusations flew. My previous pastor was preparing to leave the state. It was just too brutal to stay around here. But the more I learned about grace, about my tendency to be a man-pleaser, and about how much God loves His people and wants to restore them, the more I knew I had to confront him.
I had to forgive my pastor.
It was one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to do. The day before he left the state, I went to see him. I told him how much I loved him, how much I’d learned from him. I also told him that we had a dysfunctional relationship. I confessed that I was an enabler who empowered his manipulation. I told him that the charges of “spiritual abuse” had some grounds.
He didn’t take it well.
But it was essential to my own healing. It’s also one of the reasons why this subject is so dear to my heart.
All that to say, if you’re genuinely trying to detox from religious cultism, abuse, or manipulation, mockery and satire won’t do it. You need to let it go. Jesus said to turn the other cheek and pray for your enemies. Does that exclude Fundie nutters, Calvinistas, hyper-Puritans, and pastors with Big Man Syndrome? By all means, if a church is being abusive and criminal, then that should be brought to light. But just posting YouTubes of their corny songs and over-the-top preachers doesn’t help that cause. Nor does it help people really get over it.
It just perpetuates the pain.
Criticizing the Church is like shooting fish in a barrel. There’s a lot of stupidity in EVERY movement and denomination. And there’s tons of dysfunction. I’ve come to believe that the better way is not to keep handing out ammunition, but to put up our guns.
Wow, Mike. What a post. Thank you for sharing so candidly your own experiences of being in a dysfunctional congregation, and bringing something positive out of it. You’ve really made a good point here, I think, and one well worth remembering whenever we’re tempted to resent, grumble against and accuse each other in the body of Christ. Absolutely, there are false teachers and teachings needing to be exposed and wrongs that need to be righted within the church; but if we spend all our time obsessing about the failings of others instead of asking ourselves how we can be more like Christ and show a better way, then there’s something we need to repent of too.
Really good points Mike, and thanks for sharing. I’d say all of us have reasons to bash the church, but as you said, it doesn’t fix anything. That’s what frustrates me about the sites you mentioned on the Anti-Evanglicalism post. They talk about healing, but I’m not sure how much healing takes place when commentors and the blogger get together to laugh at people they don’t even know.
To add a small note: Nobody has more cause to hate the church and all its crap than Jesus Christ, and He died for it.
Brilliant point, Bobby.
Thanks for sharing, Mike. Nice to get to know where you’re coming from a little better.
And I totally agree w/Bobby, above. You can’t heal when you’re mocking the things and people that hurt you. At some point you have to break your pride down and forgive. And I know that’s easy to say, probably torturous to do when you’ve been gravely wronged.
Along these same lines, have you read Yancey’s marvelous book “Soul Survivor: How My Faith Survived the Church” ?
It is one of his most vulnerable works (which is saying a lot, for him)…as he describes both the pain/embarrassment of his own spiritual upbringing, and the mentors who served as guiding lights along his journey towards a healthier faith.
I re-read it recently, and thought of you…both your personal story as you’ve shared it in bits and pieces, and your Non-Fiction project relating to the Church.
Given the horrendous events of today, this post and it’s focus on grace is salve. Oh, how I’d like to give up on the human race altogether sometimes, but Jesus never did, never will.
Incredibly well said, Mike. Thank you for this.
I hear you. I was born cynical, so church hasn’t made me that way. But I’ve still experienced a lot of sh*t in church. I’m still fighting battles that may not be mine to fight. I don’t know Mike; I don’t know if–say–what the ladies at the Wartburg Watch are doing is productive for healing, or just a way to continue in bitterness. Don’t we need to expose spiritually abusive pastors, as they do? I ask these questions because, despite early efforts at healing, I’m not a healed or well person at all. I don’t know what the answer is, but I thank God that you healed and came to terms with your church experiences.
In my mind, any time someone disagrees with another Christian and calls them out by name, that’s one thing. The theology, methodology, etc. is being critiqued, but no personal attacks are being launched. On the other hand, other bloggers/sites use strawman attacks against churches/types of Christians that are vague, and (again, in my opinion) are joined by others as they laugh and mock the unsuspecting target/type of Christian…almost as if from a position of superiority.
I’m thinking of Matthew Paul Turner’s site specifically. Church signs are frequently put up as targets of derision by MPT and the commenters who frequent his site. Sure, the sayings can be cringe-worthy and cliche, but MPT and his fans seem to be sitting on a hill above the petty, backwater members of the church who put the sign up…laughing at them.
Anyway, I guess I say all that to agree, Jill, that distinctions should be made.
Bobby, I totally agree with you about Matthew Paul Turner’s site. When he starts constructing the REAL Jesus, as he sees Him, and offering his followers a way towards healing, a way to move on from abuse or hurt, I’ll believe he has something to offer. Until then, he’s little more than a carnival barker pointing me from one freak show to the next.
I don’t know. A lot of times reading stuff like that can focus you on things you really can do nothing about. Cynicism is a reaction to powerlessness, and a lot of times all this effort on outing people or the big issues actually conditions us to worry about things we are powerless to change. Sometimes I have to wonder if I’m reading something to be encouraged to do things, or because of the perverse pleasure in worrying about things out of my hands.
Yes, cynicism is a reaction to powerlessness. I have to agree with the content of this comment. Many issues that I worry over are not my battles to fight, and yet I continue to worry over them out of some kind of perverse pleasure. However, there are people who have been given the task of being truth-tellers, and I would never be as nasty as the group of pastors who got together and, on an uploaded video, mocked women housewife-homeschool moms for critiquing pastors/churches through their blogs (because these women obviously should find something more productive to do). Becoming a truth-teller is a means of fighting powerlessness that may or may not involve cynicism, and I believe that is the case with many bloggers (of either sex). p.s. I wanted to post a link to that video, but couldn’t find it anywhere. In any case, your comment resonates with me.
Jill, I’m not sure where the Wartburg Watch community stands theologically, but I consider what they’re doing far more productive than those sites that are strictly satire, parody, and mockery. As I said, if a church is sinning and/or doing something criminal, then by all means, expose them. If a church / denomination is considered cult-like, then say so. But I’m not going to get all crazy about some Fundie preacher raving about hell, stupid church signs, and Jesus junk. That’s too easy and not at all constructive.
This is a great post, and so true. Mockery can’t help to heal. I can get the appeal of saying truths that have been suppressed deep inside of you for ages, but when it becomes a lifestyle, it can be dangerous. So hard to let it go, though.
Mike, I’d like to respectfully suggest that each one of us needs to find the right way to process our personal history and refrain from telling other people how to do it. Some people have been hurt worse than you or I can imagine, and finding a community of people who understand can be one of the steps toward healing and out of bitterness. I didn’t even realize I *needed* healing from my relatively minor wounds until I did the research on spiritual abuse for my first novel.
My denominational background could be called Heinz 57: Lutheran, A. of G., Jesus movement, discipleship/shepherding strongly influenced by Gothard’s ATIA weirdness, and on and on. I’ve stayed in touch with at least a few people from each of those phases. I love and appreciate the people as well as the various lessons I learned along the way. But I’m still sorting things out, and I appreciate blogs like the Wartburg Watch and Stuff Fundies Like for their honesty and their irrepressible sense of humor. Sure, some people get strident and cynical sometimes. I understand. I’m willing to give them grace because I’ve received so much grace.
Regarding the theology at the Wartburg Watch, I can attest to the fact that Deb and Dee stick up for orthodox Christianity while they field tough questions and offer love and acceptance to agnostics. If you have questions, I suggest emailing Deb or Dee. They’re gracious and quick to respond, as you have always been to me too.
Meg, I don’t really have questions about the Wartburg Watch. I don’t read them that often. As I said, they seem to be working through issues, rather simply mocking. I can’t say that people aren’t “healed” by following sites like “Stuff Fundies Like.” God can do anything He wants and I don’t doubt there are fine people involved. Nor am I judging a person in the process of seeking healing, and what they may or may not need. My question is how / if mocking, satirizing, caricaturing, snarking about Christian absursdism and extremism encourages healing or reinforces unforgiveness. I follow several atheist sites and there seems to be very little difference between the types of Christian nonsense and extremism that atheists love to point out and laugh at, and what sites like the ones I cited highlight. It makes me wonder if, in the long run, their effect isn’t the same on the hearers.
I hear you, Mike. I happen to enjoy satire and snarkiness when they’re done well. There’s something healthy about laughing at some crazy doctrine we used to believe or some hymn we used to sing without comprehending how ludicrous the lyrics were. If the snark crosses the line into stirring up anger and bitterness, then I agree that it’s going too far.
I just hate to see SFL lumped together with sites that seem to exist only to mock Christianity. I have lurked on the SFL forums for a while, and I’ve seen a lot of sincere efforts to help people rediscover God’s grace and move on.
SFL has been the only site I’ve taken heat for including in that list. The webmaster seems to mix it up, informative pieces w/ dumb videos and comicgraphics (like today’s that equates Fundie pastors w/ Santa, keeping their wives at home, using non-paid labor to build their empire, and enjoying having little children sit on their lap.) It makes it hard for me to believe the site’s producing “healing” and drawing people closer to Christ.
Hey, I enjoy satire. I subscribed to the Wittenburg Door for years. In fact, I interviewed Robert Darden, Senior Editor of the Wittenburg Door, HERE. WD was different for a couple of reasons. One, they were published by the Trinity Foundation, a group that ministers to the homeless in Dallas, many of whom were homeless because they’ve given all their money to predatory televangelists. Their satire was an extension of a very real ministry to expose frauds. Is SFL doing that? Perhaps. Second, WD interviewed many serious theologians, pastors, and thinkers and discussed deeper issues. There was a very real intellectual current alongside the funnies. Is SFL doing that? I dunno.
After my post, I received a lot of referrals from the SFL message board, where I was pretty much labelled as a Fundie, Westboro Baptist supporter, and butt-hurt evangelical. It kind of reinforced the impression in my mind that Love and Grace wasn’t exactly the diet that these ex-Fundies were nourished on.
Mike, I wonder if part of the disconnect here is that SFL’s satire is directly mostly toward IFB churches, not mainstream evangelical culture, so some of the posts and comments won’t even make sense to anyone who isn’t familiar with IFB history and recent events. And if SFL doesn’t have a “very real intellectual current” alongside the funnies, it may be because IFB churches exist in a very different world from that of the Wittenburg Door (which I used to read and enjoy, too.)
I’m very sorry your interaction with SFL wasn’t better. As I said earlier, I have lurked there for a while. I don’t know Darrell or the people who participate in the forums, but I have appreciated much of what I’ve read there. Please accept my apologies for bringing up something that obviously wasn’t a positive experience for you. You’re a good brother and I do agree with the main points of your post.
Meg, no apologies necessary! I think you’re right about part of the possible “disconnect” being my lumping together of SFL with the lampooning of “mainstream evangelical culture” in general. While fundamentalists are a subset of evangelicalism, much of today’s rejection of organized religion and Christianity does not distinguish between the two. So fundamentalist extremism is seen as just part of Christendom. Perhaps the question I need to ask is, How does SFL’s methods differ from the lampooning of evangelical culture? And, Is SFL contributing to the reformation of IFB churches and healing from abusive ministries, or perpetuating stereotypes and reinforcing pain. Anyway, I appreciate the discussion. (BTW, I’m sending some questions to Darrell for a possible interview here. Be praying he agrees to it!)
Good points, Mike. I hope Darrell will agree to the interview, because I’m sure he could contribute a lot of good insights from a slightly different perspective than either you or I could offer. As fellow believers, we’re all in this together. Like it or not. 🙂
thanks so much for this Mike. Stumbled upon it via a friend. Just what my heart needed to hear. Church is tough. Have my own history similar to yours but a bit longer and more roads traveled. What saves me from insanity, depression, anger etc. is God’s graciousness. He continues to love me/you/us and none of deserve nor can earn either His trust or His love. He just loves us and salvation is all the proof we need. And it should be enough but being the greedy spoiled children that we are we miserably fail most of the time. Only God is good and only God is perfect.
My personal theology on the Doctrine of Sin is that as long as we expect our fellow man to sin we will never be disappointed. While we must never fail confront sin in others and ourselves we can only do so by acknowledging “there but for the grace of God go I.” Thus I can look at my fellow brother in the Lord with love not because he is perfect but because he is just like me–saved while yet sinning. So when I am let down, hurt, harmed, damaged, and left for dead, as tough as it is I take on the chin because like the Apostle Paul, “the sufferings of Christ are not yet complete” in my life.
your brother and co-sufferer in Christ,
Larry
Excellent reminder, Larry! I’m a pastor and I need this reminder all the time. I expect better of my members… but we’re still sinners, every one of us.
I think I shock a good number of my members when I remind them that I’m still a sinner; I didn’t stop when I became a pastor. I call on them to call me out if they catch me in a sin. I need that humbling — I don’t want to end up like Mike’s pastor! I’ve heard too many horror stories of pastors abusing their flocks. I want nothing to do with that.
Thanks Jon. I’m in process for ordination as an Anglican Priest. Have previously been an Pastor but left that behind then rediscovered Gods irrevocable call to Ministry. Has been quite a journey. Still not sure how that works with the Anglicans coming from a strong independent sectarian background; even spent a while with Pentecostals. But it is clearly God’s calling and I have been very much the Jonah. I think I have been a source of great amusement to God, as He has had to intervene so many times to keep me on track.
The one common thing observed and experienced in all the various Church groups over the years and especially in the Anglican Church has been the fight for power and control. Healthy debate, godly arguing is good. Christ Jesus did lots of debating but never got abusive. His overriding motive was to help and not to harm. We on the other hand give in to bitterness and our motives too often about winning rather than resolving.
A few years ago while in Seminary and having lived most of my life in the city I felt called to rural ministry. You could say that my cup runneth over as not only am I in rural ministry but its also remote. We don’t even have roads.I got called/sent to Native Ministry in the Canadian North and it has been really interesting and quite an adventure. I knew nothing about Native Canadians and wanted nothing to do with the Anglican Church. Yet here I am doing both and both are in great pain and I have had many struggles.
The issues are the same. If Paul could call himself chief among sinners then who are we to think better of ourselves. I shock and amuse my non church Native friends all the time and with some delight. Pretending to be pure doesn’t work. My Native church friends on the other hand are not always so amused. It was either pretend and live on pedestal or get into the real mess of ministry. It has not been easy and has required a lot of sacrifice. Church is changing. The younger generation don’t buy and or get it. Yet there is this great thirst for God and Jesus is the only one with the water that will satisfy. The question I ask the Native Christians is “Why does your church look so white?
No, I never want to be like Mike’s pastor either. Our job as Pastors/shepherds is to feed the sheep. Too often we are the wolves who eat the sheep. But hear the prayer of the Pharisee who thanks God for not making him a Publican. So I say again there but for the grace of God go I.
Yeah… when I first started training for the ministry, I was out to save the church. There were several years of humbling, but now I’ve learned that I wasn’t called to change the church but to be changed and serve. As you mentioned, that includes calling others on their sin — but not because I’m better!
Sounds like you’ve had a heck of a journey!
Me too, was ever always the rebel raling against the establishment. Not so much any more. It has been a heck of a journey, rough waters and all. Have enjoyed our conversation. Nifty how the Holy Spirit brings comfort and healing through distant and unknown friends. God’s grace and love so amazing showing me that I am not alone and that He has us all in His hands. Thank you so Jon. You have been a blessing.
Mike, love ya dude. Grace is the water for my soul.
Glad I took time to read this. (I was flying through my email box, zapping things, but left yours in case I had time later.)
Can’t remember when I’ve read a more meaningful blog post. I loved your candid confession, and I admire your reaction. And I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Read “What’s So Amazing About Grace” years ago. One of the best reads ever.
Great post, Mike. Soli Deo Gloria!
Jim H.
Grace does not relieve us of the responsibility to change
Grace without drawing clear lines of delineation…IS passivity disguised as a highly evolved spirituality…I have more “grace” than you and I don’t have to call bad behavior bad behavior
If bad behavior is hurting people…WE…the church have a responsibility to clearly delineate
Grace does not relieve us of this responsibility